Religion and Politics

What is happening to the "Values Voter"? A new Pew study has found that

Fifty percent of conservatives think churches and other places of worship should stay out of social and political matters, up from 30 percent four years ago . . . On this question, the gap between conservatives and liberals is narrowing: just four years ago, liberals were twice as likely as conservatives to say churches should stay out of politics. Now, 50 percent of conservatives and 57 percent of liberals think that. Four years ago, 62 percent of liberals opposed church involvement in politics. Democrats and Republicans are about even on the question as well.
Hmmm. What is going on here? Are conservatives less religious than they were four years ago? Is our country losing its religion?!?!? No, I think the answer can be summed up in one word: disillusionment.

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Sarah Palin - A Curious Choice

Today, John McCain announced his selection of first-term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate and Vice Presidential candidate. Most of the country immediately responded, "who?", and at least this blogger is pondering, "why?".

It is not particularly uncommon to select someone who is an unknown quantity to the public at large, but Palin strikes me as a particularly odd choice for a few reasons:

First, she immediately nullifies McCain's primary argument against an Obama presidency. The Republicans, even in their rebuttal to Obama's speech last night (which was masterful, BTW), have been criticizing Obama's relative lack of experience as The Reason he shouldn't be President. That's officially off the table, at least to any rational mind. Sarah Palin may be a fabulous person, but she has significantly less experience than Barack Obama. She has been Governor of Alaska for two years, before which her highest office was as mayor of a town of 8,000 residents. John McCain turns 72 years old today; his VP better be able to immediately step in and assume the Presidency.

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Introduce yourself!

In another post, one of our newer participants, the faithful dissident, suggested that we all introduce ourselves. So please, take this opportunity to do just that. Tell us all where you came from, how you arrived at (and what has informed) your political ideology, how you feel it relates to your membership (or lack thereof) in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and what you think the world should look like.

Instead of our usual long-winded conversations, let's make this a one-hit-per-head-banger thread (movie reference, anyone?) - just introduce yourself and let the next person go.

I'll go first.

I'm Dave, husband to The Wizzle, and father of two (third to be arriving in September). I am a professional geek (I'm in technology consulting) and amateur (semi-professional?) musician. I love my family, basketball, the automobile, and politics. I am currently pursuing a BA in Political Science from Arizona State University. I was born to goodly, if staunchly conservative :P parents in Provo, Utah in 1981 (the second of six children), and moved to Arizona in 1990. My family has always been very active in the Church, and less so in politics.

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California's Proposition 8

I thought I'd write this post because references keep cropping up in other threads

Though his prophet is mortal, God will not let him lead his church astray. (See Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 212–13.) God knows all things, the end from the beginning, and no man becomes president of the church of Jesus Christ by accident, or remains there by chance, or dies by happenstance.

The most important prophet, so far as we are concerned, is the one who is living in our day and age. This is the prophet who has today’s instructions from God to us. God’s revelation to Adam did not instruct Noah how to build the ark. Every generation has need of the ancient scripture, plus the current scripture from the living prophet. Therefore, the most crucial reading and pondering that you should do is of the latest inspired words from the Lord’s mouthpiece. That is why it is essential that you have access to and carefully read his words in Church periodicals."

He goes on to state "To publish differences we may think we have with the leaders of the Church, to create strife and division, is a sure road to apostasy."

So what are we being asked, exactly? Not much. Not to give up our homes and carry our possessions on our backs to literally follow the prophet to a new land. Not to leave the wives at home with young children while the men go off on missions that last an unknown number of years. Not to give up our entire savings accounts. Not some weird perverted sex thing. Just to vote in a way to legally establish something in our modern world that has been recognized as normal and truth in centuries past: that marriage is between a man and a woman.


So there you have it. If you are LDS and living in California you should ask yourself what your testimony of the prophet truly is: do you think he leads and guides us to do God's will and God will not allow the leader of His church to push personal agendas? Or do you think membership in this church doesn't entail doing every little thing the prophet, apostles, and other leaders ask of us? AND, if you are LDS and not living in California you should ask yourself what this particular chain of events means: are you simply happy that you're not being asked anything politically right now? or are you suspicious that if proposition 8 doesn't pass then you'll be facing similar legislation overwrites regarding same-sex marriage on your own state bills come voting season next year?

As saints in California we have been instructed on how to vote on this moral issue. However, we have also been instructed to do "all we can" to support proposition 8. If you would like to support proposition 8 please click here. Or go to protectmarriage.com

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Catch-All

We've got a few roaring comment threads going still, but there are a lot of things worth discussing right now, so let's have a catch-all. Post any comment about any subject you want in the comment thread. Some things that are going on:

- Barack Obama selected Joe Biden as his running mate (with the vaunted text message going out around 3 AM EST - a parting shot at Hillary, perhaps?)

- Rumors that McCain has picked Mitt Romney as his running mate

- The flap over McCain's houses gaffe

- The dropping price of oil; why's that happening?

- The Olympics

- The debate over the drinking age

- Rumors (that are false, but still entertaining) that the Church put in a offer to buy Facebook!

Fat America

Is anyone else sick of hearing about how fat America is compared to other countries? I am.



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Health Care Revisited

After the economy and the Iraq war, health care is the top concern for voters this fall. It is certainly a hot topic on this blog. We had a roaring discussion going a couple of months ago thanks to Wizzle's post, but I would like to review it again, specifically looking at Obama's and McCain's health care proposals and comparing them to my own ideas of what should change.

The symptoms of the health care crisis in America are too many uninsured and underinsured Americans, but the root cause is inflationary medical costs - not a new problem. (In fact, HMOs were created in 1973 to address medical costs that were rising faster than the rate of inflation. Didn't work out so well.) In my opinion, the top three contributors to rising medical costs are:

  1. For-profit managed care - This website gives an excellent historical overview of the rise of HMO's (Health Maintenance Organizations) and why they have been so damaging to health care in the U.S.
  2. Skyrocketing medical liability insurance for doctors - The average premium for emergency care doctors was $53,500 in 2003. Other medical specialists, like neurosurgeons and Obstetricians pay $200,000-$300,000 (wonder why it is so expensive to have that baby?)
  3. Uninsured receiving expensive mandated emergency care - half of all emergency room care in the U.S. goes uncompensated (even after government pitches in, and government pays roughly 44% of ALL medical expenses in the U.S. through Medicaid and Medicare), meaning hospitals have to write it off as charity or bad debt

Rising medical costs lead to rising health insurance premiums lead to increasing numbers of uninsured people leads to uninsured people waiting until small health concerns become emergencies meaning doctors provide the care but don't get paid, which leads to rising medical costs for everyone else, etc. etc. We are caught in a spiral. We need real solutions that curb the rising cost of medical care so insurance and medical care ARE affordable and available to every citizen in America. In my opinion, a real solution to the health care crisis in America needs to encompass the following:

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"In God We Trust"

I know that this has no real significance, since laws aren't enforced by what the people actually want in this country anyways...but, I figured I'd take an opportunity to encourage you all to vote the same as me (except David, of course;) Actually, I'm surprised that I feel this to be so important - especially considering how it came to me - by a forward - I hate forwards!!!! Anyways, basically, some athiest somewhere is petitioning to get "in god we trust" taken off our legal tender. So, MSNBC started a poll to see what America thinks. The athiest says this establishes Christianity as the official religion and does not seperate church and state. The other arguement is that this phrase has cultural and historical significance and does nothing to establish one religion above the other. I agree. Therfore, lets all go cast our vote in this pole - I know, silly, but I figured this is an acceptable place for me to make my plug. Kay, I 've wasted enough words on this silly debate. here is the link.

The Value of Not Cheating On Your Flippin' Wife


Another mighty one has fallen. That's right, he stepped out on his wife, who had been diagnosed with incurable breast cancer, and may or may not have fathered a love child.

What is with these people?!

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Pro-Death?

Wow, It's been a while since I had my own post - but, please forgive me, as I'm living outside of the country - and it has become increasingly difficult to get involved with US current affairs. So here we go. The following is presented with, I admit, some sarcasm - The intent is not to hurt feelings, or belittle anyone, but to show the other point of view:

I was particularly struck with Stephanie's post on the Sanctity of Life. I feel that I have a quite good appreciation of and embracal of the sanctity of life. Therefore, I was, I feel justifiably, perturbed by the continual use of "Pro-Life" as a descriptive for one who takes Stephanie's stances. I felt that if I don't line up with that Pro-life stance, what does that make me? Pro-death? I don't blame Stephanie for this - actually, I think it is quite common, and has been shown over and over again in multiple posts and comments by many conservative contributers. There is an unsettling preference by quite a few to call the morality and desencey of the left-view point into question. I feel this is unfortunate. For this reason, I have decided to, at least for the extent of this post, claim the title of "Pro-death" - since i find myself in a contrary position to what has been defined as the "pro-life stance" on just about every issue.

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Sending "others" to war

It has been decided that a United States Marine will stand trial for "unpremeditated murder and dereliction of duty" for apparently killing an unarmed Iraqi militant in Fallujah in 2004. Are you kidding me? We not only are sending people to war to "defend" our country, we are now also trying to send them to prison for murders that occurred in a war zone while they were carrying out their missions. C'mon, people.

They eventually stormed the mosque, killing 10 insurgents and wounding five others, and showing off a cache of rifles and grenades for journalists.

The Marines told the pool reporter that the wounded men would be left behind for others to pick up and move to the rear for treatment. But Saturday, another squad of Marines found that the mosque had been reoccupied by insurgents and attacked it again, only to find the same wounded men inside."

So back to today's news. Apparently, some Marines stormed a house, finding weapons and capturing four men. The platoon commander radioed asking if the Iraqis were dead yet. The four men ended up dead, and Sgt. Ryan Weemer has been charged with "one count of murder and six counts of dereliction of duty encompassing failure to follow the rules of engagement in Fallujah and failing to follow standard operating procedures for apprehending or treating detainees or civilian prisoners of war." (from MSNBC article)

These charges seem wrong to me, though there are admittedly very few details. I'm sorry, but this just stinks of war. Much worse has been done, and much worse is being done. If you ask me, Sgt. Weemer is partly to blame for his current legal trouble as he volunteered information when applying to a Secret Service position. I don't blame him for doing what was done, though. If you close your eyes and envision what the situation must have been like; the chaos, bullets flying, constant gunfire, very close quarters, invading enemy territory, RPG explosions, overturned cars, not seeing your enemy, trying to keep track of your friends, everything moving so fast... No, I can't say I wouldn't have reacted the same way.

I think that war is a very bad place to be. We cannot be holding our soldiers to standards that are near impossible. We can't have soldiers second-guessing themselves at critical times. The vast majority of the time, they make the right decisions. They took more prisoners during this battle then people that were killed. That is a testament to the skill and training and split-second decision making capabilities of our soldiers.

Now let's remember what the deal is here and go kill Osama!

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The Value of Human Life

I am pro-life. On an obvious and most basic level, this means that I am anti-abortion. Sure, I am pro-choice, too. I believe women have the right to be responsible about their own reproductive choices. When you choose to have sex, you choose to accept the potential consequences, one of which is pregnancy. Except in cases of rape and incest (where obviously the victim did not make a choice), that pregnancy represents a choice that was already made, and therefore, choosing to kill the unborn baby represents another choice - the choice to kill an unborn baby. Just as murder is not a choice we "allow" in our society, I don't think that abortion is a choice we should allow if we truly value the sanctity of life (except in the rare cases I mentioned above).

So, I am pro-life on the issue of abortion. But, that is not all.

a firebomb erupted in the townhouse of assistant biology professor David Feldheim. As smoke and flames filled the first floor, Feldheim, his wife, their 7-year old son and 6 year-old daughter were forced to use a drop ladder to escape from a second floor bedroom.

Jerry Vlasak, who, as a spokeman for the Animal Liberation Press Office, serves as an apologist for animal rights zealots, issued this statement: "This is historically what happens whenever revolutionaries begin to take the oppression and suffering of their fellow beings seriously, whether human or nonhuman. It's regrettable that certain scientists are willing to put their families at risk by choosing to do wasteful animal experiments in this day and age".


Wow, really? These attempted murderers are "revolutionaries"? The nonhuman "fellow beings" have more value than the family of a scientist? Animal rights activists have no problem potentially killing or maiming children to try and stop animal research? What exactly is this research? Feldheim studies neural connections in the brain and their effect on vision using mice.

Other scientists who use animals in their research develop drugs to treat (or even eradicate) cancer, Alzheimer's, AIDS, etc. They develop compounds, and when they think they have one that appears to work on a cellular level, they test it in mice for effectiveness and toxicity. What exactly are the extreme animal activists hoping to accomplish in terrorizing scientists? Have scientists test the drugs on actual humans first instead of mice so that humans can suffer side-effects (possibly death) if the drug or the dose proves too dangerous to go to market? Stop the development of drugs altogether that have the potential to save lives or significantly improve the quality of life for humans? Both of these "solutions" show a clear preference for animal life over human life.

Are these activists the same ones advocating for embryonic stem cell research that would destroy viable embryos in the name of scientific research that could "save lives or significantly improve the quality of life for humans"? Oh wait, that DOES devalue (embyonic) human life. Well, as long as they're consistent . . .

But, that is not all. I am also pro-life when it comes to the environment. I read this article about couples who are choosing sterilization so they don't "pollute" the environment with children.

Toni Vernelli was sterilized at age 27 to reduce her carbon footprint . . . "Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet" says Toni, 35. "Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population".

While most parents view their children as the ultimate miracle of nature, Toni seems to see them as a sinister threat to the future. But when she was 25, disaster struck.

"I discovered that despite taking the pill, I'd accidentally fallen pregnant by my boyfriend. I was horrified. I knew straight away there was no option of having the baby. I went to the doctor about having a termination, and asked if I could be sterilized at the same time [the doctor said no - sterilization took place two years later as noted above]. I didn't like having a termination, but it would have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt would only be a burden to the world".

Yeah, good thing she did the "moral" thing and chose to have an abortion.

Toni is not the only one. Sarah Irving and fiance Mark Hudson opted for Mark to have a vasectomy. From a young age,

Sarah dreamed of helping the environment - and as she agonized over the perils of climate change, the loss of animal species, and destruction of wilderness, she came to the extraordinary decision never to have a child . . .

"I realized then that a baby would pollute the planet - and that never having a child was the most environmentally friendly thing I could do" . . . Mark adds, "we do everything we can do reduce our carbon footprint. But all this would be undone if we had a child. That's why I had a vasectomy. It would be morally wrong of me to add to climate change and the destruction of earth . . . What makes us happy is knowing we are doing our bit to save our precious planet."

Oh, there's that whole morality thing again. Funny how "morality" is a taboo word when it comes to chastity because it is associated with religion, but perfectly fine when it comes to environmentalism (the religion of some). Anyways, back to post - sure, each of us is responsible for our own choice of whether or not to have children (before we choose to have sex, of course). People who don't want children definitely should not have them - that is just common courtesy to the child! But, I found some of their comments to be a bit chilling. Children are a burden to the world? A sinister threat to the future? Doing "our bit" to "save the planet" means not having children because they will add to climate change and the destruction of the earth?!?!?

Since when is "the planet" worth more than a human life? Why does "the planet" even have value? It seems to me that "the planet's" whole purpose is to sustain human life. D&C 104:17

For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves.

Sure, I am all for doing reasonable things to preserve our environment (particularly for future generations of PEOPLE), but holding the "morality" of environmentalism above the value of children and people in our world reeks of disdain for human life.

But, that is not all. Oh, no! That is not all! I am also pro-life when it comes to dying. Barbara Wagner of Oregon was denied cancer treatment by the Oregon Health Plan (the state health program), but was offered pallative care, which includes assisted suicide. Since assisted suicide in Oregon is legal, offering assisted suicide is just one of the many "benefits" of state health care. (Well, that certainly increases my desire for a national health care plan [eyes rolling]. Incidentally, the pharmaceutical company that sells the drug stepped up and is offering a year of treatment to the woman for free - those evil, nasty, for-profit capitalists.) On the other hand, this does have the potential to solve our aging population problem. Instead of actually helping to care for all these elderly people, let's just deny them medical care and instead offer to "assist" them in passing on. When we deem that their cost to society outweighs their contribution, let's put them out of their (and our economic) misery. Plus, it will help the environment! Those liberals think of everything.

So, yes, I am a champion for human life - life before birth, life before death, life before the environment, human life before animal life. Considering that so many liberal causes seem to have it the other way around, what does that say about the sanctity of human life?

We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God's eternal plan. (The Family: A Proclamation to the World)


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