The Perfect Storm

Grab your pocketbooks. We are in for it. First the bail out of Bear Stearns earlier this year, then the assumed conservatorship of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac last week, and finally the government is saying "no more" to a bail out of Lehman Brothers. Of course I agree with this decision. Taxpayer dollars should not be used to bail out individuals and companies who make bad decisions. Bush is doing his best to try and maintain confidence in our economy and financial sector, but the cracks are long past beginning to show. So, why isn't the government bailing out Lehman Brothers? I think they realize this is just the beginning.

Even with my limited knowledge as a business student, I predicted this back in 2000. I had to do an analysis of the economy, and what I saw looked pretty dark. Why? Debt. It's that simple. I've been saying for a couple of years now that I won't even bat an eye until the Dow Jones Industrial Average falls below 11,000. It did today.

Let's stop for a brief history lesson. During the roaring 20s, capital was easy to come by. American consumers relied on cheap credit to finance consumer goods, and businesses relied on cheap capital to expand. This fueled strong short-term growth but led to deep debt. Eventually, both individuals and companies had to cut back on spending to cover debt payments. This lowered demand for new goods, which caused companies to cut back or fail, leading to massive layoffs. The unemployment rate shot to 25%. As debtors began to default, some banks began to fail. As banks began to fail, depositors got scared and began to withdraw, causing a "run on the banks". To cover the deposits, banks called loans they couldn't collect. More banks failed. Others stopped lending. This caused the economy to contract and was known as The Great Depression.

Some blame it on the government because the government didn't do "enough" about it after it happened (Greenspan appears to fall into this group). I blame it on the government for not doing enough about it before it happened. Roosevelt felt the same way (yes, I am in agreement with a Democrat, but wait - it gets even better). Part of his New Deal was the Glass-Steagall Act that included reforms designed to protect depositors, control speculation (by separating investment and commercial banking), and, in general, prevent the conditions that would lead to another Great Depression. It worked for about 50 years.

In the 1980's, (under Reagan) congress passed a series of acts to begin deregulating the banking industry. Guess what happened? Well, because Savings & Loans (S&Ls) could now compete on the rates they offered depositors, they made risky investments, including speculative real estate deals they didn't know much about, through brokers. The net result was the Savings & Loan Crisis. A lot of S&Ls started to go under. The government bailed them out. The Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation, which insured S&Ls like the FDIC insures bank accounts, paid all depositors whose money was lost. And who paid the FSLIC? You got it! Taxpayers. (Many other banks failed as well - bailed out by the FDIC).

How did this differ from the Great Depression? Both were caused by an unregulated financial market, but only the Saving & Loan crisis was mitigated by government involvement. Sure, the government involvement may have mitigated the crisis to individuals, but it also set up a "moral hazard".

Moral hazard is the prospect that a party insulated from risk may behave differently from the way it would behave if it were fully exposed to the risk. Moral hazard arises because an individual or institution does not bear the full consequences of its actions, and therefore has a tendency to act less carefully than it otherwise would, leaving another party to bear some responsibility for the consequences of those actions . . . Financial bail-outs of lending institutions by governments, central banks or other institutions can encourage risky lending in the future, if those that take the risks come to believe that they will not have to carry the full burden of losses.

So, what did the government do after that? Well, they deregulated again, of course! In 1999, President Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that effectively removed all of the regulations left over from the Glass-Steagall Act. What else was going on at this time? The dot com bubble was still growing, growing, growing, sending the stock market soaring until it burst in 2001 (same time that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act became effective). Venture capitalists, day traders, speculators had all poured money into dot coms and now either lost it or needed to put it elsewhere. Conveniently, most lending regulations had been removed, so bankers could start making risky loans again.

Here is the housing bubble in a nutshell (see if it sounds familiar): mortgage brokers act as salesmen to "sell" the loan (developers/builders frequently act as brokers). They are supposed to gather all the information, make sure it is accurate, and give it to the underwriter. They have incentive to fudge the numbers or overlook risks or overextend the borrower because they only make money on the sale - they are not responsible if the loans default.

The underwriter is the actual lender. They assess the information and determine if they want to lend money to the borrower. The information they have is only as good as the information they get from the broker. Although they theoretically assume the risk, most lenders then bundle the mortgages and sell them to investors.

The investor could be an investment firm either here or abroad, or it could be Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac (who hold about half of all mortgages in the U.S.). Fannie and Freddie operate on the secondary mortgage market to buy mortgages from banks, savings and loans, mortgage companies, etc. and either hold or repackage them into mortgage-backed securities to sell. This provides liquidity in the mortgage industry. Although there was no actual government guarantee on Fannie and Freddie securities, it was widely assumed that they had an implicit guarantee. In an attempt to give confidence to the world markets, the government has taken conservatorship of Fannie and Freddie to turn an implied guarantee into an actual guarantee. The result is that the federal government is taking on their debt and adding it to the national deficit. Guess who gets to pay for that? Yup, the taxpayers AGAIN.

Not surprisingly, this was all very predictable. In 1999, as deregulation was ending and the dot com bubble was growing, the World Socialist Website (see? I told you it would get better. How is that for shocking?) published an article that said:

Legislation first adopted to save American capitalism from the consequences of the 1929 Wall Street Crash is being abolished just at the point where the conditions are emerging for an even greater speculative financial collapse. The enormous volatility in the stock exchange in recent months has been accompanied by repeated warnings that stocks are grossly overvalued, with some computer and Internet stocks selling at prices 100 times earnings or even greater.

And there is much more recent experience than 1929 to serve as a cautionary tale. A financial deregulation bill was passed in the early 1980s under the Reagan Administration, lifting many restrictions on the activities of savings and loan associations, which had previously been limited primarily to the home-loan market. The result was an orgy of speculation, profiteering, and outright plundering of assets, culminating in collapse and the biggest financial bailout in U.S. history, costing the federal government more than $500 billion. The repetition of such events in the much larger banking and securities market would be beyond the scope of any federal bailout.

Scared yet? When the speculators left the housing market, where did they go? Ding, ding, ding if you guessed oil! Lax regulation over speculation in the oil futures market allowed for manipulation of the market, and it has affected nearly every other industry: airline, shipping, food, etc. The average American is suffering because of this manipulation. After oil, where did speculators move to next? My guess is commodities. Wonder why gold is so high right now?

Look, I have nothing against lending, investing, providing capital for small businesses to grow or mortgages so people can purchase homes. I have nothing against capitalism in general (in fact, I am a big proponent!). Our capitalistic system fosters economic growth and prosperity. In its purest form, speculation allows risk-takers to use their own capital to bet on movements in the market. They stand to lose a lot, or they stand to gain a lot, but if they are playing with their own money, it doesn't bother me. However, it's when they have the ability to manipulate the markets that I have a problem with. Speculation can (and does) cause economic crisis. Is it fair to subject the entire population (world even) to the risk of economic collapse? In my opinion, NO.

The government didn't necessarily "create" this crisis. Average people are in too much debt and took out bigger mortgages then they could afford. Banks made risky investment decisions. Speculators have been moving the markets. However, it has been government's complete laissez-faire approach to the financial sector, along with setting up moral hazard in the 80s, that has allowed this crisis to happen. So what should they do now?

For one, the federal government should NOT bail out banks or individuals. Taxpayers should not be responsible for paying for the irresponsibility of others. We are already going to hurt enough through the crisis as we deal with the economy contracting (far too big of a problem for government to effectively deal with). Please don't tax us anymore.

For two, please, for the love of Pete, REGULATE!!! We are deep into our third cycle. The pattern is the same every time: lax regulation and easy credit lead to overextended borrowers and speculators who drive up prices. When the cracks start to show, lenders pull out, leaving borrowers with assets worth less than they owe. The market contracts, and we are left with economic crisis.

I am pleased that both Obama and McCain agree to no more bailouts. However, I think Obama is misguided in his attacks on McCain over the issue.

"This country cannot afford four more years of this failed philosophy", Obama . . . told a cheering outdoor rally in western Colorado . . . Obama chided McCain for a new commercial that promises "change we need". "Sound familiar?" said Obama, who has made change the central theme of his campaign. "Let me tell you. Instead of borrowing my lines, he needs to borrow some of my ideas. Change isn't about slogans. It's about substance . . . I certainly don't fault Sen. McCain for these problems . . . but I do fault the economic philosophy he subscribes to. It's the same philosophy we've had for the past eight years, one that said we should give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else. It's a philosophy that says even common regulations are unnecessary, unwise".

Let's see. Deregulation is what got us into this mess, and Bill Clinton is the one who signed the final bill that went into effect while Bush was in office. What ideas has Obama put forth that McCain should "borrow" that would address this crisis? What failed "philosophy" is Obama referring to? Capitalism? It is true that in theory capitalism rejects "even common regulations", but the U.S. currently operates under a mixed economy. What change of "philosophy" is Obama promising? Socialism? Yeah, we need change, but not that kind of change.

McCain also spoke today. In a statement issued this morning, he said

"I am glad to see that the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department have said no to using taxpayer money to bailout Lehman Brothers . . . major reform must be made in Washington and on Wall Street. We cannot tolerate a system that handicaps our markets and our banks and places at-risk the savings of hard-working Americans and investors. The McCain-Palin Administration will replace the outdated and ineffective patchwork quilt of regulatory oversight in Washington and bring transparency and accountability to Wall Street".

At a speech given this morning, McCain promised to "never put America in this position again . . . We believe the time has come and gone where the taxpayers should be viewed as the solution to the problems that are not of their making. We will reform the regulatory bodies of government".

Yeah, that sounds about right to me. So, what's the bottom line? The bottom line is that it is going to get ugly - very, very ugly. The blame goes individuals, corporations, banks, investors, etc. who made stupid decisions AND to politicians on both sides of the aisle who removed necessary regulation from the financial industry. The economy will contract, and there is nothing the government can do to stop it. It is going to hurt. We're going to have to suffer through it this time and put regulations in place to prevent it from happening a fourth time. Sure, Obama wants that (in addition to much more government oversight and interference and taxation that looks an awful lot like socialism), but McCain wants that in the context of maintaining a mixed economy closer to capitalism. And THAT is change I can believe in.

29 comments:

jenny said...

stephanie, great post. it's so easy for people to point the finger at one person when there is a much larger picture here. my husband and i are "average" people. four years ago, my husband's line of work was booming. his civil engineering consulting company was doing very, very well. today, work has slowed down to a snail's crawl. their clients, both private & public, are fearful of the current state of the economy and are not contracting new work. the experts in their field have said that they do not see an end in sight. my husband's career of which he has a bachelors & masters, is in jeopardy. i am fearful that if obama pushes through his tax increases for business that the country will go into a depression. at this point no one should be surprised if this happens. my family is preparing for the worst. no matter who is elected they are in for a chaotic and frightening economic situation.

Anonymous said...

Very nice post, Stephanie. Here's one thing I would add. Maybe these sorts of things wouldn't happen if we had an electorate that cared more about substantive economic issues than about who said what about who put lipstick on a pig or whether disaffected Hillary voters will warm up to Sarah or whether McCain looks good against a green backdrop.... I'm not blaming "the media" for this sort of shallow coverage, since ultimately the media is only giving its customers what they demand. The media that does cover this kind of stuff intelligently is playing to a pretty small market, and that's our fault, not the media's. As someone once said, the problem with democracy is that ultimately the people get what they deserve. Sigh.

--David

Frank Staheli said...

I moved my retirement stuff out of stocks and into conservative income in about 1999-2000, because I was waiting for the market to crash then, but when it didn't happen, we put it back in stocks, and in the last couple of years we've lost our shirts. It was hard being patient knowing that I was getting 4% in conservative income fund and that the rate of inflation was FAR above the 3 or so percent that government says we've had.

At least I can say that we are completely out of debt and when the next Macey's caselot sale comes around, we'll have our food storage topped off.

Funny how President Gordon B. Hinckley saw this problem coming back in 1998.

I am so glad we resisted the urge to buy a bigger house.

Jonathan said...

Thanks Steph,
This is the kind of post I can truly appreciate. You presented historical facts and then provided your own objective observations.
I agree with your stated opinions and I too am anticipating that the next 5 to 8 years are going to be at least as bearish as it was in the great depression and other recessions we have had in the last 100 years.
Everyone who discusses economics seem to think that the Great Depression is as bad as it can get economically; however, they forget that there have been other economic tragedies in history. What about the potato famin in Ireland and Scotland? What about the uncontrolled inflation that we saw in eastern block countries after the fall of USSR? What about the uncontrolled inflation that Argentina and other countries have suffered through where people have to cary suitcases of cash to buy groceries.
I do have confidence in our US FED and I believe that more importantly we are now a major part of a global economy. Many countries globally, perhaps most importantly China, and primarilly based on US backed treasuries. China has recently unpegged their dollar from the US; however, I don't think that the effect that a significant recession in the US would have on developing countries globally can be overstated.

Jonathan said...

Personally I think that the best estimate for what we are in for can be looking at what happened in Japan over the last 20 years. The capital markets in Japan collapsed 20 years ago after a huge real estate bubble. Since then Japan has been rebuilding itself through regulation and control; however, the capital markets are still not to the strength that they had prior to the collapse. The Japanese economy has been stagnant and flat. Controlled. I think that this is what we are in for.

I predict that compared to the falsified standards of living that people have built for themselves, supported by easy credit, people will feel financial pain and stress; however, I see this as a correction.

I agree with Stephanie that the government is doing everything that it can to mitigate the risk and that there is a limit to what the US Government can do to prop up the collapse. At this point our people, our country, is so stuffed with gluttonous consumption that the principles of capitalism will require a correction.

Jonathan said...

At this point I really don't think it matters whether Barack wins the election or if McCain wins; the economy will be very ugly during their 4 years of presidency and it will be hard.
People forget that our economy turned bearish just this year, but for the three years prior to this we had unforeseen growth. My stock portfolio of Chinese stocks grew 300% last year (I think that after housing started to collapse people invested in oil as steph said, but also in BRIC country "emerging markets"), it was a fun ride and then I pulled out in November. If we could have 4 more years of the first 3 years of this presidential term it would be great.

I am very disappointed with the gluttony that I have observed in Bush's administration and if you rely on tone from the top then it can be pointed at Bush, but I don't think that anyone can stomach more consumption like we have seen. Based on the radical shifts that we are seeing the Fed do as a proxy for Bush's administration, I don't think that Bush would even support continuing with what has been happening. Everyone agrees that change is needed, the question is what kind of change.

Jonathan said...

I predict that if Barack wins it will be very similar to Jimmy Carter's presidency. He will be in for 4 years and will try to fulfill his promises, but the economics just wont support the big government programs. To support his programs Barack will need to raise taxes for everyone and then after raising taxes he will be pushed out after 4 years.

Conservative economic principles that Reagan championed when he came in to replace Carter are what our country needs. McCain was a "foot soldier" for Reagan and many people are saying that Palin's economic speaches are inspiring in a way that haven't been heard since Reagan.

I don't think that their is a silver bullet that can save the day; however, I do think that McCain and Pailin are as well prepared as anyone to carry the economic conservative banner.

Jonathan said...

I think Willard Romney has more of the type of direct experience we need for a major Economic turn around; however, he was rejected. When Romney lost the primary I gave up hope on our ability to avoid a major financial collapse. I now accept we are in for alot of pain and our country needs to accept the consequences of our actions.
In February when the government put up a support prop by deciding to do the first tax stimulous package it was a nice gesture, and it delayed a recession, but it was not a solution. Romney offered a real pragmatic solution which would have worked and he called for his strategy to be implemented by congress within 30 days to avoid a recession entirely, but his strategy was not implemented and now we are doomed to suffer for having rejected Romney.

Many of McCain's current economic strategy are from the same conservative strategy that Romney was pushing, but now it is too late to avoid the inevitable.

Jonathan said...

If McCain wins I think the economy will bottom out and become bearish in 4-6 years. If Berry Hussain wins then it will be 8 to 10 years before our economy can turn bearish again. This is based on Barack not implementing conservative economic principles and then waiting 4-6 years for them to take effect.

Our economy will not be able to turn around until the following entitlement issues are addressed:
1) Government funded healthcare costs to an aging baby boomergeneration.
2) Social security payments to an aging baby boomer generation.
3) Immigrants who don't pay taxes, but benefit from social services, schools and healtcare.
4) Housing and mortgage markets corrections.

These entitlement programs create more of a liability than our bearish economy can support. By taking over Fannie and Freddie the housing market will likely stabalize or bottom out in the next year or two; however, without addressing the other entitlement based issues our economy will not be able to lift itself up out of the weight hung around its neck.

Jonathan said...

One other variable that I think should be considered would be the financial impact of having an all out WAR. The current war in the middle east is straining our current military that Clinton diminished; however, if our country became involved in a global conflict similar to WWII then the increased manufacturing and production jobs would rebuild our economy. Cynically, I wouldn't put it past our government leaders (Barack or McCain) to get us into a WW conflict that would affect our economy for good or bad.

Jonathan said...

Either way, I think that there is a very real chance that in 10 to 20 years when our kids are our age, the US may not be the economic world power it is today. Russia leverage it's oil pipelines to emerge as the economic super power of Asia and the world. China may continue on it's economic climb and surpass US GPD and consumption.

I haven't given up hope on the US, but I also don't know how much it really matters for us to be the world's largest economy. It may hurt our ego, but perhaps it would cause us as a country to be more humbled and it could even be good for us. Perhaps we will start to follow good principles under God, rather than trying to remove God from our city squares.

In Sunday school we discussed the pride cycle and I saw alot of parallels to where we are.

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Jonathan said...

The question comes down to if you know what it coming then what are you doing differently now to prepare for what is coming? I can tell you what we are doing, but you will need to decide for yourself.

1) My wife is getting a masters degree to continue her education to help increase the chances of her ability to find work if the need ever arose in a bearish economy.

2) I am working on becoming a certified CPA in the next 6-9 months. I have no intention of working as an external auditor, but it will increase my marketability and open up options if needed.

3) We are currently planning to move to China for 2 years after my wife finishes school next year. If the economy is in the tank here then it may be better to be in a location where underlying economic principles of capitalism are more bullish.
4) Also if we move to China for a period then we will learn mandarin and be better prepared to compete in a global economy that isn't entirely focased on the US.
5) In 2000 I was chosing my college major and I too anticipated a bearish economy and so I chose a career that I believed would be stable. I now work for an accounting firm, I have done GLBA, audits and I am well positioned to have my career ride the waves of Financial regulation that I anticipate are coming. SOX will seem like a preview for what is coming.
6) Last but not least I pay my tithing and seek God first.
7) We have food storage and very limited debt for student loans.

Bring it on!!!!

Anonymous said...

Another thing--everyone's been talking about the candidates' foreign policy experience, but this situation is a good reminder that economic experience is a good thing, too. I'll bet a lot of Republicans (and Democrats!) are wishing that successful businessman Mitt Romney were the candidate. Speaking of Romney, my respect for him just went up a notch. He's been out campaigning for McCain, but even so he's not a complete partisan. Check out this clip in which he basically says McCain has been lying in his advertising. Pretty impressive, at least for a politician.

--David

Stephanie said...

Thanks for weighing in, jon. I agree that Japan is probably the closest correlation to what we are experiencing. It's that whole real estate thing.

Sounds like you guys have a good plan. China may not be an option for us. We'll have to think of something else. :)

Stephanie said...

Then again, it might. One of the men my husband works for is practically a "superstar" in China. He may need to work his connections. ;)

jenny said...

interesting points regarding china, jonathan. we have some friends that are considering the same type move. he works for intel & has been given the opportunity to work at an intel plant in china for two years, all expenses paid. in addition, they will receive the same income they are earning here. they have four children which they homeschool. it's a very lucrative offer.

The Wizzle said...

Wow, that sounds like a pretty sweet deal! For some reason I had this thought that maybe a large/larger family such as mine wouldn't be "allowed" to move to China. Overpopulation and all. Sounds like that's not the case - too bad my husband's company doesn't have a Chinese outpost!

I am the first to admit that economics are not my strong suit, but it's pretty scary from where I sit. It looks like things are just going to get worse for a good long while before they get better, and if that's the "natural correction" that is necessary then so be it I suppose. I just hope we come through it ok.

Anonymous said...

Well, I'm in Korea right now - I know Korea isn't particularly safe from the craps, but from my POV, it is better than US anyways. I'm reconsidering coming back and starting grad-school - that was the initial plan - start grad-school next year - but crap. Do I want to go back there? I think I'll bide my time a bit longer.

The problem is overconsumption - I'm no economist, I've never tried to be - but I do get alot of religion in - and it seems that if there is one thing that is hammered over and over again in religion, is that pride, wealth, overconsumption, and neglect of the poor will destroy a nation. Pride, wealth, and overconsumption are the halmarks of American culture. No one can be surprised or annoyed at what is happening - we (in the church) should have realized for a long time that its happening. Go you guys for your year-supply - I wish I had that luxury - its awesome that you do.

Stephanie said...

Well, overconsumption paid for by actual wealth would be one thing. Overconsumption paid for with debt is another. It is just the illusion of wealth, and is what will make it hurt so bad at the correction. It reminds me a lot of 2 Nephi 13 (also Isaiah 3). Read it and see if it doesn't describe our day (and what is coming) pretty clearly.

There's lots of good stuff in there, but just related to "wealth":

16 Moreover, the Lord saith: Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched-forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet -
17 Therefor the Lord will smite wth a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover their secret parts.
18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments, and cauls, and round tires like the moon . . .
24 And it shall come to pass, instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle, a rent; and instead of well set hair, baldness; and instead of a stomacher, a girding of sackcloth; burning instead of beauty.

Stephanie said...

So now the government is "loaning" money to AIG. I get that AIG going under would be bad for the economy and would definitely speed up the consequences we are going to face. But, doesn't there come a point where the world just laughs at U.S. loans? We have so much debt and such a huge deficit as a country. I am not sure our bonds or the backing of the U.S. government is going to mean much anymore. And of course the problem with AIG is that their insurance backed-up mortgage securities. They have to pay back the bad debt to investors even when people are defaulting on their mortgages, so the money the government (tax-payers) is "loaning" to AIG is going to pay investors. This means that the rest of us are essentially paying the mortgages of stupid people.

My husband and I took out a sub-prime loan in 2005 to buy our house (we came straight out of school). Although we were offered ARMs and interest only and all these options to buy a "bigger, better" house, we took out a standard fixed-rate 30 year loan on a mortgage we could afford (we are just paying a bit more in interest). I looked around at everyone else buying in our town (5 homes on our street have foreclosed since we moved in) and wondered what they were going to do when the creditor came calling. Everyone knew this was coming. It just blows me away that it was allowed to happen.

Anonymous said...

"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them" (Isa. 3:12). Sure hope that's not a prophecy about Sarah Palin! Of course, Isaiah would have been absolutely horrified at something as haughty and wanton as Sarah Palin, what with her hair uncovered, and parading around practically naked in the Miss Alaska pageant....

But, even though his sexual mores were pretty much those of the Taliban, I love Isaiah. Admirable sense of social justice, and a great poet to boot. I think Jeremiah Wright loves him, too--and unlike his many critics, Wright actually understands Isaiah. Wright is to contemporary America as Isaiah was to ancient Israel. Inevitable that the GOP and the LDS and the SBC would jump all over him.

"Ah, you who join house to house, who add field to field, until there is room for no one but you..."

"Ah, you who are heroes in drinking wine, and valiant at mixing drink, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, and deprive the innocent of their rights!"

Brilliant stuff. Well might Isaiah have joined Wright in saying, "God damn America." Same sentiment, anyway, though of course Isaiah would have put it more eloquently.

--David

Stephanie said...

I've always thought that the "women ruling over them" part referred to feminists . . .

Anonymous said...

Maybe so. Isaiah (or rather, none of the Isaiahs) was certainly no feminist.

--David

The Faithful Dissident said...

Are we talking Lucy Burns or Gloria Steinem feminists?

Stephanie said...

More second wave.

Anonymous said...

Lucy Burns or Gloria Steinem? Both great! Ya gotta love Steinem's early takedown of the Playboy mystique.

--David

The Faithful Dissident said...

I used to dismiss Steinem as a fanatic until I actually read a bit more about her. I think some of the stuff she says makes sense and has some worth to it. The problem with some feminists, though, is that they don't know when to stop and end up ruining a good thing.

Anonymous said...

A typical pattern. We tend to dismiss people when all we know about them is what others have said about them. Then when we actually read what they say, in their own words, we discover they're not such monsters or idiots after all. Ditto for those nameless "some feminists" who "don't know when to stop." I would ask, who are they? Do we really know what they say, or only what others say about them?

Of course, sometimes the opposite occurs, and someone's actual words can worsen your opinion of them.

--David